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ending the iraq war, bringing a lot of troops home from afghanistan and setting an end date for that war and getting osama bin laden. >> reporter: henry brady director of school of policy says romney's best chance to win now is during the debate. to hit the president where he's more vulnerable. >> i think it's the economy. >> reporter: all this with the election just six days away, and another 10% who say they could be persuaded to change. rita williams, ktvu news. >>> oakland mayor jean quan testified about the state of the oakland police department as civil rights opponents attempt to put the police department under state police. the judge overseeing today's hearing had said quan could face punitive action if she did not testify today as she had missed her last court date siting city business. city rights opponents say oakland have failed to follow reform. a federal judge is scheduled to consider the issue in december. >>> all you need is a smart phone to ride munni for free. that's according to a firm that specializes in mobile security. it says it's discovered a flaw in the syste
ending the iraq war, bringing a lot of troops home from afghanistan and setting an end date for that war and getting osama bin laden. >> reporter: henry brady director of school of policy says romney's best chance to win now is during the debate. to hit the president where he's more vulnerable. >> i think it's the economy. >> reporter: all this with the election just six days away, and another 10% who say they could be persuaded to change. rita williams, ktvu news....
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. >> he serve add tour in iraq and another in afghanistan before volunteering for a third tour also in afghanistan. >> i haven't seen her in two and a half years. and she's grown. it's amazing. i don't know what to say. >> i don't want to grow up without a dad so just knowing that he can come home safely is just the greatest. i missed you so much. >> i miss you had too. >> he'll be here for a week and says he's thankful to be back on american soil. i asked him what he's looking forward to. he says mary's pizza for dinner. channel two news. >>> the wounded bay area soldier will soon be able to get around his house more easily thanks to low val volunteer. today volunteers from hands on bay area home depot and pinnacle housing began building a ramp and making the bathroom more accessible. he and his wife have been living in mountain view to be close to his rehab center. today a crowd celebrate add ground breaking. assemblyman jerry hill were on hand this morning the project will double the hospital's size with more than 150 new patient rooms and other state of the article facilities the $
. >> he serve add tour in iraq and another in afghanistan before volunteering for a third tour also in afghanistan. >> i haven't seen her in two and a half years. and she's grown. it's amazing. i don't know what to say. >> i don't want to grow up without a dad so just knowing that he can come home safely is just the greatest. i missed you so much. >> i miss you had too. >> he'll be here for a week and says he's thankful to be back on american soil. i asked him what...
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. >> in iraq one of the bloodiest days since troops with drew. more than 90 people were killed, more than 360 wounded. the attacks come on the same day iraq's vice president was sentenced to die. to violence now unrelenting violence in syria. two bombs exploded simultaneously. 17 people were killed and 40 wounded. syrian war planes bombed several apartment buildings. >>> cbs money watch. online celebrity search danger. we have more. >> reporter: good morning. overseas stocks were flat ahead of expected stimulus from the federal reserve. tokyo's anybody ay was unchanged. jobs report may be welcomed by investors. they are hoping continued week job growth could spur the federal reserve to stimulate the economy. dow closed out a strong week by gaining 14 points while the nasdaq stayed flat. royal dutch shell has started drilling for oil off the coast of alaska. it's the first time in more than 20 years drilling has taken place. four years ago shell paid nearly $3 billion to the federal government for petroleum leases. >>> the government is selling of
. >> in iraq one of the bloodiest days since troops with drew. more than 90 people were killed, more than 360 wounded. the attacks come on the same day iraq's vice president was sentenced to die. to violence now unrelenting violence in syria. two bombs exploded simultaneously. 17 people were killed and 40 wounded. syrian war planes bombed several apartment buildings. >>> cbs money watch. online celebrity search danger. we have more. >> reporter: good morning. overseas...
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what d you see as the lessons iraq? >> i tnk the lesf iraq are very clear that you cannot have a failed strategy. thanks to this great general david pa ttr,hey are succeeding and winning in iraq. >> whether we should have gone into the war in the first place. six years ago i stood up and opposed this war. we hadn't finished the job in afghanistan. we hadn't caught bin laden. we hadn't put al qaeda to rest. and as aconsnc i thought that it was going to be a distractio now, senator mccain and president bush had a very different judgment. >> so that was this date, 40 days out from the election in '0and 40 days out from the election in '04. in '04 the campaign was consume e of our wars. 40 days out from the election in '08, in the midst of the financial meltdown the campaign was consumed with both of the wars. now it's 2012 and we're 40 days out from the election this year and we are not quite as consumed with that issue, but we are still in one of ose wars. suur out is not a mutual decision by the two candidates. i mean, t
what d you see as the lessons iraq? >> i tnk the lesf iraq are very clear that you cannot have a failed strategy. thanks to this great general david pa ttr,hey are succeeding and winning in iraq. >> whether we should have gone into the war in the first place. six years ago i stood up and opposed this war. we hadn't finished the job in afghanistan. we hadn't caught bin laden. we hadn't put al qaeda to rest. and as aconsnc i thought that it was going to be a distractio now, senator...
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. >>> new this morning, president obama amarking the second anniversary of the end of the iraq war in his weekly address. >> while the war itself remains a source of controversy here at home. one thing will never be in doubt. the members of our armed forces are patriots in every sense of the world. they met every mission and performed every task that was asked of them with precision and commitment and skill. >> the president spent friday at fort bliss in texas praising soldiers for their work in defeating saddam hussein and helping rebuild iraq. >>> have you ever noticed how hard it is to pin anyone down with their prediction for the election? well, in office politics at the time i did just that. richard wolffe, though he did it und under duress. >> if you are alex witness, putting a gun to my head right now -- >> where's my gun. >> and saying, make a call, i would say obama by 2 points. but, this is where i push the gun away and say but, in a two-point election, anything can happen. comes down to turnout and comes down to the dynamic of the last couple of weeks as well. you know, one
. >>> new this morning, president obama amarking the second anniversary of the end of the iraq war in his weekly address. >> while the war itself remains a source of controversy here at home. one thing will never be in doubt. the members of our armed forces are patriots in every sense of the world. they met every mission and performed every task that was asked of them with precision and commitment and skill. >> the president spent friday at fort bliss in texas praising...
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ending the iraq war, bringing a lot of troops home from afghanistan and setting an end date for that war and getting osama bin laden. >> reporter: henry brady director of school of policy says romney's best chance to win now is during the debate. to hit the president where he's more vulnerable. >> i think it's the economy. >> reporter: all this with the election just six days away, and another 10% who say they could be persuaded to change. rita williams, ktvu news. >>> oakland mayor jean quan testified about the state of the oakland police department as civil rights opponents attempt to put the police department under state police. the judge overseeing today's hearing had said quan could face punitive action if she did not testify today as she had missed her last court date siting city business. city rights opponents say oakland have failed to follow reform. a federal judge is scheduled to consider the issue in december. >>> all you need is a smart phone to ride munni for free. that's according to a firm that specializes in mobile security. it says it's discovered a flaw in the syste
ending the iraq war, bringing a lot of troops home from afghanistan and setting an end date for that war and getting osama bin laden. >> reporter: henry brady director of school of policy says romney's best chance to win now is during the debate. to hit the president where he's more vulnerable. >> i think it's the economy. >> reporter: all this with the election just six days away, and another 10% who say they could be persuaded to change. rita williams, ktvu news....
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. >> i was worried that the troops coming back from iraq and afghanistan were going to get ignored. myself and several friends, vietnam guys, we decided we were going to step up for the last eight and a half years i've been making sure that when the folks come home not only are they welcomed but that they are taken care of. we focus with the critically injured soldiers coming back to walter reed. when a soldier gets better and starts to think about leaving the hospital for the first time. we like to be the guys to take them out for a steak dinner. it's good to see them go out to society with wound as an injuries and be suck ceaseful -- successful. we take care of things that come up. we help with resumes, interviewing skills, help them meeting up with mentors and support teams. we're vets we know what they are going through. i feel so privileged to have the opportunity to meet these folks. whenever one of theseuys tries to thank me. i said you got this all wrong, you are giving me a gift. can i help you. -- i can help you. >> that's me, sir. >> president obama has fought for veteran
. >> i was worried that the troops coming back from iraq and afghanistan were going to get ignored. myself and several friends, vietnam guys, we decided we were going to step up for the last eight and a half years i've been making sure that when the folks come home not only are they welcomed but that they are taken care of. we focus with the critically injured soldiers coming back to walter reed. when a soldier gets better and starts to think about leaving the hospital for the first time....
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we have a 16,000-person embassy consulate structure in iraq. it is costing us $2.5 billion per year. we cannot protect everyone everywhere if we are going to have these presences in foreign countries. >> if you'd send your un ambassador and pretend it is about a movie or a trailer and then three days later say it is obviously a terror attack, you look ridiculous and clueless. yes, he left nothing behind in iraq. he is getting us out of afghanistan. you can agree on that but you cannot deny that the withdrawal is creating the vacuum in which all our friends in their region are looking at these areas having no influence over the actors and the characters -- >> let's talk about facts. >> they are inheriting the vacuum. >> the united states wanted to have a status of forces with iraq but could not get. fact. islamic fundamentalism is a problem but it is not just a problem for the united states or israel. citing what is going on with australia, germany, france -- attacks on those countries because of actions taken by a publication. we have to figure
we have a 16,000-person embassy consulate structure in iraq. it is costing us $2.5 billion per year. we cannot protect everyone everywhere if we are going to have these presences in foreign countries. >> if you'd send your un ambassador and pretend it is about a movie or a trailer and then three days later say it is obviously a terror attack, you look ridiculous and clueless. yes, he left nothing behind in iraq. he is getting us out of afghanistan. you can agree on that but you cannot...
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good also, the weapons of mass destruction were never found in iraq. good his foreign policy centered on going into iraq and getting rid of those weapons of mass destruction was alive. his administration showed remarkable indifference to the plight of most americans. what happened in new orleans and katrina is a good example. mitt romney and the republicans would like to pretend the and ministration did not happen. taking a five trillion $10-year surplus bequeaths to it by the clinton administration and turning into a a giant new deficit and saying to wall street, do whatever you want. we are not going to look at you. he makes the case against mitt romney. that is one of the most important things. and with that kind of cynicism, the special interests to win everything. the only thing we can get our democracy back is if we understand we have got to be active, and it is not just paying taxes and serving on juries and showing up. we have got to be engaged, mobilize, energized. we have got to demand this work for us as ordinary people, as average working a
good also, the weapons of mass destruction were never found in iraq. good his foreign policy centered on going into iraq and getting rid of those weapons of mass destruction was alive. his administration showed remarkable indifference to the plight of most americans. what happened in new orleans and katrina is a good example. mitt romney and the republicans would like to pretend the and ministration did not happen. taking a five trillion $10-year surplus bequeaths to it by the clinton...
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now we'll take to you iraq. protests against the film erupting now in baghdad and in the city of basra. hundreds of followers of shiite cleric al-sadr called on the iraqi government to close the u.s. embassy and fire the u.s. ambassador. maliki is denouncing the film as racist and called on muslims not to react with violence. they're holding up posters of sadder and chanting death to america. >> brian: let's leave the flags and burn his posters. that would make more sense. >> steve: all right. meanwhile, yesterday at this time we were telling you about how after the trouble started -- >> brian: just a second. elizabeth, you want to go? >> yes. >> brian: go ahead. >> steve: look how patient she is. >> gretchen: it's raining. >> brian: i know you have a network to run. >> gretchen: have a great day. >> steve: anyway, after the trouble started at the embassy of cairo, somebody inside sent out -- and it is presumed with the administration's approval -- essentially messages, some e-mails, tweets as well about essenti
now we'll take to you iraq. protests against the film erupting now in baghdad and in the city of basra. hundreds of followers of shiite cleric al-sadr called on the iraqi government to close the u.s. embassy and fire the u.s. ambassador. maliki is denouncing the film as racist and called on muslims not to react with violence. they're holding up posters of sadder and chanting death to america. >> brian: let's leave the flags and burn his posters. that would make more sense. >> steve:...
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in the combined wars in iraq and afghanistan, nearly 6600 americans have been killed. almost 50,000 wounded. while all life is sacred, those figures are nothing like the vietnam war. however, i believe most historians will look back on the iraq war as being a mistake. we could have brought saddam to his knees by blockading his country. we didn't have to invade it. the weapons of mass destruction deal through all calibrations out. but we did not need iraq in order to win the war on terror. afghanistan is another matter. we had to remove the taliban and we did. the problem is that afghan society is largely corrupt and the usa has not been able to neutralize that corruption. so we're caught in a country that will not cooperate in helping itself become a free state. money and tribal conflicts rule in afghanistan. that has hurt america badly. again, we had to fight the war. president obama has done a good job in neutralizing al-qaeda, his killer drone strategy decimated that group. president bush did a good job in hammering al-qaeda after 9-11. his strategy of isolating and
in the combined wars in iraq and afghanistan, nearly 6600 americans have been killed. almost 50,000 wounded. while all life is sacred, those figures are nothing like the vietnam war. however, i believe most historians will look back on the iraq war as being a mistake. we could have brought saddam to his knees by blockading his country. we didn't have to invade it. the weapons of mass destruction deal through all calibrations out. but we did not need iraq in order to win the war on terror....
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in iraq. 15,000. he wasn't able to accomplish that so right now, iran is flying supplies to syria over iraqi air space, which shouldn't be happening. but it's being done to supply the syrians, who are massacring their people. this president has failed on foreign policy. >> so, elise, maybe we can throw up some of these poll numbers. we know on foreign policy, actually, when compared to the job that the american people think the president is doing versus what mitt romney would do, he significantly beats him. romney, even though some of those numbers have fallen over the last, you know, couple weeks or so. but not significantly. and not very far outside the standard deviation. so, what do you think that -- do you agree with the senator that the president hasn't spelled out well enough and must do in these remarks today, foreign policy? >> i think there are certain questions about what the president needs to do in terms of how is he going to address these rising anti-american protests? i mean, he did com
in iraq. 15,000. he wasn't able to accomplish that so right now, iran is flying supplies to syria over iraqi air space, which shouldn't be happening. but it's being done to supply the syrians, who are massacring their people. this president has failed on foreign policy. >> so, elise, maybe we can throw up some of these poll numbers. we know on foreign policy, actually, when compared to the job that the american people think the president is doing versus what mitt romney would do, he...
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and i think in foreign policy he has kept us safe and ended the war in iraq and i think that really as the first lady was talking about, we have gotten to know him. and i think has demonstrated the character and the leadership that we need. during this difficult time. >> and why is the race tied? well, i mean, the economy is tough. and it's hard times. and so i think that -- but i think everybody should really take advantage of the privilege that we all have living in this country and do research on the things that matter to them. this is going to be a close election and votes will count. and i grew up hearing it's one person, my father would not have been elected president and we know that was a tremendous choice. people should realize that their vote counts and they should really take advantage and get involved. it's fun. >> caroline kennedy you've studied history the daughter of a president someone close to someone your uncle, ted kennedy who ran for president. the republicans have really tried to paint this president as a socialist practically somebody who just wants government to
and i think in foreign policy he has kept us safe and ended the war in iraq and i think that really as the first lady was talking about, we have gotten to know him. and i think has demonstrated the character and the leadership that we need. during this difficult time. >> and why is the race tied? well, i mean, the economy is tough. and it's hard times. and so i think that -- but i think everybody should really take advantage of the privilege that we all have living in this country and do...
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was happening in iran was the revolution had a great blow because of the negative results of their iraq war. and many young people had died, a generation had been decimated and the revolution was rocky and khomeini was looking for something to rally the troops. >> and you lived nine years this way. was is there a day where you said okay, it's over or was it a gradual period of time? >> it was gradual. i gradually cried to claw back bits of life.
was happening in iran was the revolution had a great blow because of the negative results of their iraq war. and many young people had died, a generation had been decimated and the revolution was rocky and khomeini was looking for something to rally the troops. >> and you lived nine years this way. was is there a day where you said okay, it's over or was it a gradual period of time? >> it was gradual. i gradually cried to claw back bits of life.
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>> oh, it would have come to iraq. but i think it would have looked a lot more like syria today. >> rose: translate where syria is today. >> so let's go to syria. the problem is everyone wants to say we must do something and i... i'd love to do something. but my gut tells me that the only thing to be done is to... somebody has to take over the country, okay? somebody's got to provide a midwifing role to referee this new balance of power. >> rose: nobody wants the united states to do that. >> no, i know that! that's why there's a it will bit of disingenuousness of people saying "what must we do?" a no-fly zone. okay, what happens when the syrians shoot at the no-fly zone. what happens when the russians get involved in it's a problem from hell. it'ser the to believe see what's going on. >> is there any answer in terms of somehow a group of countries getting together, neighbors and others, including iran even though that would be very difficult for everybody to come to some kind so solutions because they have the russians
>> oh, it would have come to iraq. but i think it would have looked a lot more like syria today. >> rose: translate where syria is today. >> so let's go to syria. the problem is everyone wants to say we must do something and i... i'd love to do something. but my gut tells me that the only thing to be done is to... somebody has to take over the country, okay? somebody's got to provide a midwifing role to referee this new balance of power. >> rose: nobody wants the united...
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from iraq make our top 10 list of in your face moments during the last 10 years. first, president george w bush confronted by an iraqi journalist. he threw two of the shoes and bush missed both. good for him. the defense secretary in a much more serious moment, donald rumsfeld on a 2004 christmas visit over there to iraq. in just the previous four weeks from then, 26 american troops had been killed by roadside bombs destroying their vehicles and one soldier stood up and faced off against defense secretary rumsfeld. >> why do we soldiers have to dig through local landfills for pieces of scrap medal and compromise ballistic glass on our vehicles and why don't we have those resources readily available to us? >> as you know, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a letter time. chris: what do you feel about that exchange, joe? >> this was the worst secretary of defense in american history. chris: what did that tell you about that, though? >> he didn't care. he wasn't living it life and death with the troops. bob gates was
from iraq make our top 10 list of in your face moments during the last 10 years. first, president george w bush confronted by an iraqi journalist. he threw two of the shoes and bush missed both. good for him. the defense secretary in a much more serious moment, donald rumsfeld on a 2004 christmas visit over there to iraq. in just the previous four weeks from then, 26 american troops had been killed by roadside bombs destroying their vehicles and one soldier stood up and faced off against...
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official in iraq. mr. ambassador, thanks for coming in. >> thanks, wolf. >> how worried are you -- starting back in 2003. >> let me say first of all that i send my condolences to my colleagues that served and died in libya and americans tend to forget that there are american diplomates putting their lives on the line all over the world every day. i think we should be concerned. what we are seeing now is the spread that started in two countries. today, it moved to three or four more, including iraq, which is quite a ways from north africa. that spread is eerily reminiscent of what we all went through in the late 1970s. >> in iran? >> not just in iran, an ambassador killed in kabul followed by the embassy in islamabad being burned to the ground and the takeover in iran. these things have a way of spreading. they are a mark of the fact that the administration has basically conveyed weakness in this region. weakness always begets trouble. >> what should the administration in your opinion be doing? >> what it s
official in iraq. mr. ambassador, thanks for coming in. >> thanks, wolf. >> how worried are you -- starting back in 2003. >> let me say first of all that i send my condolences to my colleagues that served and died in libya and americans tend to forget that there are american diplomates putting their lives on the line all over the world every day. i think we should be concerned. what we are seeing now is the spread that started in two countries. today, it moved to three or four...
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the war in iraq. the feet for the democratic nomination in which barack obama prevailed over hillary clinton. this first obama term in office. as a reminder that many of the issues our country faces today were with us then. take a look at how our very first show began. a blank check. president bush wants a double barrel of power to go after iraq. the doctrine too brazen? were we warned? and the details on what the c.i.a. and the f.b.i. knew about a possible attack on the world trade center before 9-11:who will take the heat? clinton, bush? or the spies who couldn't see straight? the sounds of the democrats. tom daschle calls the bush economy atrorks but has no democratic alternative. unable to challenge the president's war or his tax cuts, are the democrats afraid to fight for anything? we were debating invasion of iraq back then. the panel on that first show, david brooks, then of the whitley standard and the new republics, michelle cotto. i asked about the advice george w. bush was getting from some
the war in iraq. the feet for the democratic nomination in which barack obama prevailed over hillary clinton. this first obama term in office. as a reminder that many of the issues our country faces today were with us then. take a look at how our very first show began. a blank check. president bush wants a double barrel of power to go after iraq. the doctrine too brazen? were we warned? and the details on what the c.i.a. and the f.b.i. knew about a possible attack on the world trade center...
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i mean, invading iraq was part of the transformation that occurred. democracy in iraq created a sort of inaner shah toward more democracy across the middle east. all this -- the problem we have as a country is that we believe if you give democracy to a country, that's. there is no supreme court, there is no institution. >> gretchen: let me be clear, you're saying because president obama wanted to do something very different from what president bush did, at least in his mind, you're saying no matter what the president does in the united states, you still have this mayhem in the middle east? >> you've got sunni and shiite, there are divisions, they're fighting each other for power and influence within the entire region. and saudi arabia. >> is democracy in the middle east a good thing? >> their sense of democracy is different from ours. >> this is the problem. this is the different vision between president bush and president obama. a lot of liberal democrats will say, listen, you can't hand over democracy -- >> no, you can't. >> it's just one thing goin
i mean, invading iraq was part of the transformation that occurred. democracy in iraq created a sort of inaner shah toward more democracy across the middle east. all this -- the problem we have as a country is that we believe if you give democracy to a country, that's. there is no supreme court, there is no institution. >> gretchen: let me be clear, you're saying because president obama wanted to do something very different from what president bush did, at least in his mind, you're saying...
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oh let's go to iraq instead let's go to iraq instead. well why? this is great remember richard clark, the counter terrorism advisor who said for the love of god concentrate on al-qaeda. >> he said there aren't any good targets in afghanistan and there are lots of good targets in iraq. i said there are lots of good targets in lots of places, but iraq had nothing to do with it. >> just a couple of months after 9/11 itself. look at the president president george w. bush, talking about the man who attacked us on that day. get a load of this. >> so, i don't know where he is. you know, i just don't spend that much time on it to be honest with you. you know, who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not. we haven't heard from him in a long time, and the idea of focusing on one person is really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission. terror is bigger than one person. >> so, there's the guy flat out admitting i don't care about 9/11. i don't care about the guy who did 9/11 and now dick cheney after all that, you want to try take a
oh let's go to iraq instead let's go to iraq instead. well why? this is great remember richard clark, the counter terrorism advisor who said for the love of god concentrate on al-qaeda. >> he said there aren't any good targets in afghanistan and there are lots of good targets in iraq. i said there are lots of good targets in lots of places, but iraq had nothing to do with it. >> just a couple of months after 9/11 itself. look at the president president george w. bush, talking about...
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i think under those circumstances, al gore would have pushed hard against iraq. up not only would have had republicans urging it, you would have had many democrats who believed that sadaam had weapons of mass destruction. >> who cares he didn't attack us. >> uh-uh. i'm not arguing. >> there's no way vice president gore would have been that irrational. no way. >> chenk that's -- you're not listening to me. i agree with you. you're hitting a straw mat. i am suggesting that the politics would have been much tougher. vice president lieberman who would have been vice president would have been as anxious to go into iraq as dick cheney. he was one of the leading hawks of either party and so the picture i paint is not al gore going into iraq, no. he said at the time it would have been mike attacking the phillipines after pearl harbor. the picture i paint is a president under enormous political pressure and suffering politically for not going into iraq. that's my book, you're entitled to write your own history. >> look, so vice president lieberman sent a chill down my spi
i think under those circumstances, al gore would have pushed hard against iraq. up not only would have had republicans urging it, you would have had many democrats who believed that sadaam had weapons of mass destruction. >> who cares he didn't attack us. >> uh-uh. i'm not arguing. >> there's no way vice president gore would have been that irrational. no way. >> chenk that's -- you're not listening to me. i agree with you. you're hitting a straw mat. i am suggesting that...